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> <channel><title>Comments on: Newspapers could actually try online</title> <atom:link href="http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/</link> <description>Would you like some cheese with your whine?</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 14:16:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: LINKS &#124; Micropayments don&#8217;t work, but everyone has a better idea &#124; byJoeyBaker</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-357</link> <dc:creator>LINKS &#124; Micropayments don&#8217;t work, but everyone has a better idea &#124; byJoeyBaker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:32:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-357</guid> <description>[...] lectroid.net Blog Archive Newspapers could actually try online: Really solid advice on how to evolve your print newsroom into a real, online newsorg. Topics include: Staffing, web design, and workflow. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lectroid.net Blog Archive Newspapers could actually try online: Really solid advice on how to evolve your print newsroom into a real, online newsorg. Topics include: Staffing, web design, and workflow. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: &#8220;Locally-grown&#8221; news gets a boost</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link> <dc:creator>&#8220;Locally-grown&#8221; news gets a boost</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:32:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-346</guid> <description>[...] let&#8217;s face it, there&#8217;s plenty of material (a great recent post along those lines is this one from Lectroid.net). But I think it&#8217;s worth noting some of the positive things that are going [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let&#8217;s face it, there&#8217;s plenty of material (a great recent post along those lines is this one from Lectroid.net). But I think it&#8217;s worth noting some of the positive things that are going [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: &#8220;Locally grown&#8221; news gets a boost &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link> <dc:creator>&#8220;Locally grown&#8221; news gets a boost &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:23:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-345</guid> <description>[...] let&#8217;s face it, there&#8217;s plenty of material (a great recent post along those lines is this one from Lectroid.net). But I think it&#8217;s worth noting some of the positive things that are going [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let&#8217;s face it, there&#8217;s plenty of material (a great recent post along those lines is this one from Lectroid.net). But I think it&#8217;s worth noting some of the positive things that are going [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ian Jennings</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link> <dc:creator>Ian Jennings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:29:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-344</guid> <description>Amen Rob. Let it burn to the ground and build it back up again. Seems to be the only way forward I can see from my seat in the middle of the newsroom.I hooked up a pre-filled google reader for our web editors to use about 3 weeks ago, it hasn&#039;t been touched. Now we&#039;re chasing down JS generated pageviews from photo galleries, trying to catch up to other market&#039;s numbers. For what? Thump the chest? Print out the number real big like and snail mail it to advertisers?In a perfect world all of the advice in this article is sound, but newspapers (online and off) bow to the will and want of the advertiser. Advertisers like big numbers, so we focus on what gives us big numbers. In most cases we leave the news behind chasing pageviews. Someday that will bring about the downfall of not only the newspaper, but the advertiser as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Rob. Let it burn to the ground and build it back up again. Seems to be the only way forward I can see from my seat in the middle of the newsroom.</p><p>I hooked up a pre-filled google reader for our web editors to use about 3 weeks ago, it hasn&#8217;t been touched. Now we&#8217;re chasing down JS generated pageviews from photo galleries, trying to catch up to other market&#8217;s numbers. For what? Thump the chest? Print out the number real big like and snail mail it to advertisers?</p><p>In a perfect world all of the advice in this article is sound, but newspapers (online and off) bow to the will and want of the advertiser. Advertisers like big numbers, so we focus on what gives us big numbers. In most cases we leave the news behind chasing pageviews. Someday that will bring about the downfall of not only the newspaper, but the advertiser as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nathan L. Walls</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link> <dc:creator>Nathan L. Walls</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:22:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-343</guid> <description>Setting aside that online operations are currently helping prop-up sagging revenue, let&#039;s examine a couple of points:Yes, newspapers have invested in websites. But they&#039;ve frequently spent that money in the wrong place. It&#039;s not merely how much money you spend. In fact, spending millions upon millions is reckless in a medium that does not have the capital costs that print does. Craig Newmark certainly hasn&#039;t outspent newspapers in online investment.Secondly, being popular doesn&#039;t necessarily translate to being good. It might be that you&#039;re the only one with that information. If there&#039;s only one grocery store around, but they require me to stand in three lines to buy anything, yeah, I&#039;ll go so I can eat, but as soon as there&#039;s a new convenience store, I&#039;m there for as much as I can get. My concern is, as the barriers for entry fall (and for putting up a website with an open source CMS, they are laughably low) it is far easier to compete with a newspaper.Newspapers make a mistake in assuming that no one can compete with a 200 person newsroom. Except, no one is trying to compete there. A site only needs as many reporters as they want to have relative to what they are trying to cover. The really big problem is assuming your enemy&#039;s army is going to fight according to the rules you need to be successful. They won&#039;t. Ever.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting aside that online operations are currently helping prop-up sagging revenue, let&#8217;s examine a couple of points:</p><p>Yes, newspapers have invested in websites. But they&#8217;ve frequently spent that money in the wrong place. It&#8217;s not merely how much money you spend. In fact, spending millions upon millions is reckless in a medium that does not have the capital costs that print does. Craig Newmark certainly hasn&#8217;t outspent newspapers in online investment.</p><p>Secondly, being popular doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate to being good. It might be that you&#8217;re the only one with that information. If there&#8217;s only one grocery store around, but they require me to stand in three lines to buy anything, yeah, I&#8217;ll go so I can eat, but as soon as there&#8217;s a new convenience store, I&#8217;m there for as much as I can get. My concern is, as the barriers for entry fall (and for putting up a website with an open source CMS, they are laughably low) it is far easier to compete with a newspaper.</p><p>Newspapers make a mistake in assuming that no one can compete with a 200 person newsroom. Except, no one is trying to compete there. A site only needs as many reporters as they want to have relative to what they are trying to cover. The really big problem is assuming your enemy&#8217;s army is going to fight according to the rules you need to be successful. They won&#8217;t. Ever.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Part Two: What&#8217;s an online-first newsroom &#171; Save the Media</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link> <dc:creator>Part Two: What&#8217;s an online-first newsroom &#171; Save the Media</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:31:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-342</guid> <description>[...] throw the leftovers to the print. It means conceive of the Web product first. As a blog post at Lectroid.net says, &#8220;If you’re still automatically (or semi-automatically) shoveling content ... Not everything in print should be on the Web. Content must be tailored for the particular medium. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] throw the leftovers to the print. It means conceive of the Web product first. As a blog post at Lectroid.net says, &#8220;If you’re still automatically (or semi-automatically) shoveling content &#8230; Not everything in print should be on the Web. Content must be tailored for the particular medium. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marc</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link> <dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:52:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-341</guid> <description>Oh please, newspapers have done the web on the cheap, and have for ten years.  The whole point of the above post is to point out that if they were serious, they might be in a better place today.They didn&#039;t lose gobs online, in fact most papers have been at or close to paying for their web forays for quite some time.  That&#039;s just it, timid forays are not a commitment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, newspapers have done the web on the cheap, and have for ten years.  The whole point of the above post is to point out that if they were serious, they might be in a better place today.</p><p>They didn&#8217;t lose gobs online, in fact most papers have been at or close to paying for their web forays for quite some time.  That&#8217;s just it, timid forays are not a commitment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Hill</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link> <dc:creator>Michael Hill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:31:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-340</guid> <description>Many newspapers invested heavily in websites. Most of them had to pull back for one simple reason: they were losing gobs of money. The fact is even the newspapers websites you decry as lame were getting more hits than almost any other sites on the Web. But they still weren&#039;t making money. The problem is not the content, it&#039;s the business model. Work on that and get back to us.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many newspapers invested heavily in websites. Most of them had to pull back for one simple reason: they were losing gobs of money. The fact is even the newspapers websites you decry as lame were getting more hits than almost any other sites on the Web. But they still weren&#8217;t making money. The problem is not the content, it&#8217;s the business model. Work on that and get back to us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Wells</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link> <dc:creator>Mark Wells</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:20:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-339</guid> <description>Just wondering, can you point out a good example of a newspaper that&#039;s doing web design right?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering, can you point out a good example of a newspaper that&#8217;s doing web design right?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 9to5to9</title><link>http://www.lectroid.net/2009/02/10/newspapers-could-actually-try-online/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link> <dc:creator>9to5to9</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.lectroid.net/?p=958#comment-338</guid> <description>AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!If only the industry could move past the obsession with &quot;making readers pay for content&quot; and actually get down to doing just half of what you&#039;ve suggested.Here&#039;s a news flash: Readers have never paid for content. They&#039;ve paid for delivery. Newspapers make a scant percentage of revenue through circulation, yet making up that revenue on the Web - where delivery costs are miniscule compared to the costs of printing a paper and distributing it - seems to be the main focus of late among industry experts.The issue is, or should be, a non-starter. Move on and focus on real improvements - like the ones you recommend here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!</p><p>If only the industry could move past the obsession with &#8220;making readers pay for content&#8221; and actually get down to doing just half of what you&#8217;ve suggested.</p><p>Here&#8217;s a news flash: Readers have never paid for content. They&#8217;ve paid for delivery. Newspapers make a scant percentage of revenue through circulation, yet making up that revenue on the Web &#8211; where delivery costs are miniscule compared to the costs of printing a paper and distributing it &#8211; seems to be the main focus of late among industry experts.</p><p>The issue is, or should be, a non-starter. Move on and focus on real improvements &#8211; like the ones you recommend here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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